Good lord, yes. Mitts also has more "what you heard me say isn't what I really meant" moments than you can count. It's like he can't be trusted to let his mouth go without someone to proof it... sounds familiar, actually.

you mean like when he saw his father march with martin luther king? 

But as it stood, he was elected to work for his district as a representative.

so, take the money and run. but to preach against it while he is doing it,
like Larry Craig.
if you believe it is right to not use earmarks, and you are elected by the people to do what you think is right, then...... 

Um... when George Romney was governor over here he did participate in civil rights marches, he just never marched specifically with Dr King. 

you are elected by the people to do what you think is right

This is false. Representatives are not supposed to have the right of conscience;
They are supposed to represent the interests of their constituents and respond to their voices.
If you have the bad luck to be elected representative of a district full of neo-segregationist, gun-loving homophobes,
You go to the floor and vote like some sort of superhuman racist, bullets-for-teeth Leviathan who uses Barbara Streisand records to wipe his ass. 

That said, while it might have been conceivable that he asked for earmarks at the behest of his district and was yet personally opposed to earmarks,
It is still hypocritical to ask for earmarks and then denounce others for doing so. 

Reading Rabbiwanna's comments are always like eating some sweet grammatical ice cream 

Tasty, but too much is bad for you? 

flashy said:

you mean like when he saw his father march with martin luther king?

That, yes... another would be the "My sons aren't in the military because they're serving their country in a different way- by working for my campaign" bit. 

rabbiwanna said:

That said, while it might have been conceivable that he asked for earmarks at the behest of his district and was yet personally opposed to earmarks,
It is still hypocritical to ask for earmarks and then denounce others for doing so.

I was listening to CNN and they mentioned the name of some Congressman who has never made any earmarks.
My first thought was "how's he gonna get re-elected if he doesn't bring home the bacon?" 

Senator Chuck Norris doesn't run for reelection, he simply murders his competition. 

We could use a little more of that 

Um... when George Romney was governor over here he did participate in civil rights marches, he just never marched specifically with Dr King.

exactly the poitn, exxageration. Romney SR did do civil marches, but not with King. However, Mitt specifically said he saw his pops march with king. Its these dumb slips that cost him, because he has to explain that what he meant was different than what he actually said. 

we all marched with Dr. King, in spirit. 

This is false. Representatives are not supposed to have the right of conscience;
They are supposed to represent the interests of their constituents and respond to their voices.

so when the popular support for the was was under 50%, and Shrub said "I dont care what anyone says, this is the right thing to do" (this is an obvious paraphrase), he should have been removed?

Regardless of the legality of the issue, it is hypocrisy to insert earmarks while blasting others for doing the same 

we all marched with Dr. King, in spirit.

jiffy might take umbrage with this remark.

If mitt had said that, then all would have been well. Its just typical politician bullshit, exaggerating anything to his benefit.

What cracks me up is his stance on Immigration. He wants to throw out the illegals, but cant seem to fathom the logistical nightmare of this. His lawn service hired illegals under his very nose, and it took reporters to dig that out. How the fuck are you going to find the other 12 million? Have all reporters and investigators treat every person to presidential candidacy level of scrutiny?

Seriously. I hear how the reps want to toss out the illegals, but no one has said how to do it. 

jiffy might take umbrage with this remark.

we did. Just that some of us empathized with Dr. King and his followers/supporters who were struggling for freedom and fair treatment.

and some of us empathized with the baton weilding cops who were kicking ass and taking names. 

so when the popular support for the was was under 50%, and Shrub said "I dont care what anyone says, this is the right thing to do"

No. In fact, I even differentiated between representative positions and executive positions.
The presidency is not a representative position. Congress is. 

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Anyone else wondering if Ann Coulter is supporting Hillary for an actual reason other than to slime Hilly with her praise? Or is she just trying to make sure she'll still be able to appear on TV after the Dems take over and no one wants to listen to Faux's ranting pinheads anymore? 

Do you really think Hillary could possibly win the election? 

Why not? It's not like either of the old white guys the GOP has left are going to bother trying to change anything when they're stuck with a Democratic-controlled Congress & Senate. 4 years of deadlock, hooray. 

Deadlock is better than hillarycare. 

Federally-funded healthcare won't pass Congress, let alone the Senate. Hell, we don't even let the feds handle healthcare up here; it's a provincal concern. Let the fed provide a little funding and have the states handle the day-to-day. Job done.

The last thing the wounded beast needs is 4 years of nothing. 

No. In fact, I even differentiated between representative positions and executive positions.
The presidency is not a representative position. Congress is.

semantics.
the representative position represent not only the state, but the entire country: hence the name "us house of representatives". to ignore the impact each legislator might have on the entire country is to ignore reality. 

semantics

no, it's not.

you're trying to make it so,
but there are these "branches" of government,
with different imperatives. 

ok 

this MTV choose or lose shit is hilarious.
i missed huckabee and paul,
but got in some snap poll stuff with obama.

they gave him feedback during his segment,
which is pretty damn cool, imo,
and i have a lot more respect for him now.

the hilarious part:
clinton is about to come up and the first question:
"How do you feel about Sen. Clinton personally"
i choose "I dislike her, she's slimy."
which represented 75% of the pie.

can't wait til they share that with her, lol 

if you're interested.
http://www.mtv.com/thinkmtv/chooseorlose/ 

^ see you mentioned MTV and I lost interest immediately

if any of you still watch MTV (unless reruns of Beavis and Butthead or Jackass are one) your opinion means very little to me. 

Bigot. 

i don't watch mtv,
and i don't care for people that put spaces
between the caret and their message.

so go watch your dad beat off again. 

You first. 

Besides, it's not like any MTV viewer is actually gonna vote. Only losers vote. 50Cent would never vote. 

"An exercise of mental masturbation in a group" 

i said, "again", beavis.
that means you already did it,
so i can't do it "first."

lolololol

/american debate system 

clinton is not seeming to like hearing that
11% are skeptical and
55% are straight up "not buying" her plan
for reducing the cost of college education.

there was a thinly-veiled challenge to the polling mechanism. 

I think this hurt Hilary more than helps... 

jesus Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter in the same room together... where's is al-qaeda and a jet liner when you need them? 

I agree with Ann in the respect that I don't think Hillary would pull troops out of Iraq (at least not soon).

But then again, I don't think any of the possible future presidents would do it either. 

jesus Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter in the same room together... where's is al-qaeda and a jet liner when you need them?

waiting for NORAD to stand down 

/motion for this thread to be locked and new one be made by Baba, this thread off to a bad start and a neo-con making it is the cause :P

The thread's title is about as gay as drock is, put "I have an a**hole and I know you are one too!" title back on please. 

With the new title, 'An exercise of mental masturbation in a group' we do seem to have attracted an unseemly crowd.
Even if you're a dick there is no reason to pull it out in public. 

You two pull it out and wave it round publicly. Charlie wanks it in public. 

I got laid this morning and she came twice. 

that's when you know the political thread has went to the gutter...^ 

i thought it was a masturbation/sex thread 

ooo then proceed on, I thought you were a girl swimfan? 

Swimmy is a lesbian then? That's a new development. 

The pic swimmy posted earlier showed a disturbingly hairy forearm for a chick. 

the right accuse me of being a girl because i disagree with the bombing of children.
i guess the right think men have no problem with the killing and maiming of the innocent.